[Attempto] ACE & subject.ro

Sun Jan 5 14:19:54 CET 2014

Hello all-

First: I was hoping in an academic dialogue related to the importance and
use of ACE/Attempto. My previous email to Ted Strauss remained unanswered
for 11 days. I hope we can speed up the messaging cycle :)

Then:
Related to FOL: is there not a need to "cache" the activity of reasoners?
(And make it distributable) I would propose to W3C a type of "relation"
akin to RDF but between premises and conclusion. (not always a triplet like
RDF). Don't you think this could be important for your project?

Thank you for your time,
ct

Still awaiting your point of view on the older messages:

On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Christian Tzurcanu <
christian.tzurcanu at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Ted,
>
> I am known for writing maybe too much email. So you send this to whoever
> you know interested.
>
> I recall I wanted to implement something along Gellish lines:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gellish
> I quickly became uneasy with the idea that you have to pay to have access
> to the last version of Gellish among other problems.
>
> Now about Ace:
> 1. It is too bad RDF (or something closely related) does not permit
> representation of any first-order-logic construct. If you don't have this,
> how can you make this system distributable? If not distributable it does
> not encourage croudsourcing and it will become a nightmare to maintain upon
> growth.
> 2. Have you thought about using synsets (as in Princeton wordnet) as
> elements rather than words? Such choice would bring much better
> translatability in other languages. Plus a lot of semantic calculation
> comes for free (thought about ingesting the wordnet into Ace?)
> 3. Is the reasoner distributable? It would be such an extraordinary
> achievement to have distributable dictionary AND reasoner. The reasoner to
> communicate to other reasoners to tell the set that is already calculated
> so there is no overlapping. Is the reasoner discovering all
> first-order-logic possibilities with every added statement? What is it's
> performance when having say 1000 potential "discoveries" for 1 ingested
> statement?
> 4. Any other efforts you along the lines of ACE? We need ability to use
> FOL on these controlled vocabularies.
>
> I would say: if we solve these above, we can have a very good
> complimentary technology to fine-indexing and exact translation of
> information (like I want to do with subject.ro and its R package)
>
> Have a meaningful Christmas!
> Christian
>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Christian Tzurcanu <
> christian.tzurcanu at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I am not sure if we are all members of the list.. so i replayed all:
>>
>> Did not know about Ace. Wanted to use/implement something similar to an
>> engineering language some time ago. Then I had to return to making sure I
>> have enough nouns. So.. here I am: at controlled vocabularies.
>>
>> Ace would be a very good next step for when we harmonize a bit the
>> ontologies.
>>
>> Now: I modified subject.ro to make it more test-worthy :)
>> And added a new ontology: Terminologia Histologica that my team just
>> finished translating. So let us work on it:
>>
>> 1. Plug it in: use th.rdf as uri for subject.ro:
>> http://subject.ro/index.php?uri=th.rdf (From this follows that you can
>> use your own thesaurus for subject)
>> 2. Follow the steps that you find on the "Receive" tab.
>>
>> You will see that, using a different thesaurus, the tech looses ability
>> to resolve titles for messages created with other thesauri.
>> Another known bug: choosing the more general subject does not yet show
>> messages of the subjects under it. Do not worry. It will get fixed soon.
>> Try it anyway and give some feedback.
>>
>> What this tech can do to science? Any scientist will be able to emit and
>> receive on tens of thousands of channels. People will be able to follow
>> info by very refined subject choice rather than by originating publication
>> (journal, news hub), or originating author (twitter), or unclearly-defined
>> terms (search engine)
>>
>>
>> Beware that now the site does not have any user management. When it will
>> have: you will be able to follow also by author's reputation in addition to
>> subject.
>>
>> We really need help to compose the root ontology/thesaurus (the one that
>> has as root "All subjects" or "Everything") that will rout the audience to
>> their respective more refined interests. Lacking this, subject.ro cannot
>> be used by itself: it needs an uri to a SKOS thesaurus.
>>
>> I just emitted on the subject "Adult stem cell" :) on
>> http://subject.ro/index.php?uri=th.rdf
>>
>> By the way: any list could be emulated by subject.ro and it even can
>> help focus the discussion. Interested people should just build the thesauri
>> for that discussion. Then plug it into the uri variable.
>>
>> Thank you for your interest,
>> Christian Tzurcanu, subject.ro
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Ted Strauss <ted at trudat.co> wrote:
>>
>>  I forgot to include the link about the Attempto controlled english
>>> project:
>>> http://attempto.ifi.uzh.ch/site/<https://app.getsignals.com/link?url=http%3A%2F%2Fattempto.ifi.uzh.ch%2Fsite%2F&ukey=agxzfnNpZ25hbHNjcnhyGAsSC1VzZXJQcm9maWxlGICAgIDmnK4KDA&k=68e1ccc8-9750-410d-d971-615c4d2c36ed>
>>> The ACE wiki is a great example application:
>>> http://attempto.ifi.uzh.ch/acewiki/<https://app.getsignals.com/link?url=http%3A%2F%2Fattempto.ifi.uzh.ch%2Facewiki%2F&ukey=agxzfnNpZ25hbHNjcnhyGAsSC1VzZXJQcm9maWxlGICAgIDmnK4KDA&k=0f0e0600-bd1e-48f6-ae72-83e4eb3e3715>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Ted Strauss <ted at trudat.co> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ted Strauss
>>>
>>>> Hi Christian,
>>>> This is a fascinating project. Do you have any other publications or
>>>> documents about it?
>>>>
>>>> Have you heard of Attempto controlled english (ACE) project? It is a
>>>> knowledge representation language that is both human readable and machine
>>>> readable. It could be a useful example for you term thesaurus. It converts
>>>> into OWL statments, which is a subset of RDF.
>>>>
>>>> I couldn't do much on the subject.ro site. Is there some documentation
>>>> about how to use this site? The help link doesn't do anything.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck with this project.
>>>>
>>>> Ted Strauss
>>>>
>>>> Trudat.co<https://app.getsignals.com/link?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftrudat.co%2F&ukey=agxzfnNpZ25hbHNjcnhyGAsSC1VzZXJQcm9maWxlGICAgIDmnK4KDA&k=c619ecb0-d242-4b42-ca2a-2f6b4fc346d2>
>>>> odx.io<https://app.getsignals.com/link?url=http%3A%2F%2Fodx.io%2F&ukey=agxzfnNpZ25hbHNjcnhyGAsSC1VzZXJQcm9maWxlGICAgIDmnK4KDA&k=e3256706-c9ed-4cb8-c162-233ac41395d6>
>>>> @trudatted<https://app.getsignals.com/link?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Ftrudatted&ukey=agxzfnNpZ25hbHNjcnhyGAsSC1VzZXJQcm9maWxlGICAgIDmnK4KDA&k=8374d4c8-5452-4157-b0e1-e7df110d04a8>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Peter Murray-Rust <pm286 at cam.ac.uk>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ted Strauss
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Christian Tzurcanu <christian.tzurcanu at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:13 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Open-access] Open Data Access Point in R
>>>>> To: open-access at lists.okfn.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear members,
>>>>>
>>>>> My proposal would be to have a thesaurus of navigation for an open
>>>>> data catalog in multiple languages so I can plug it into
>>>>> http://subject.ro/index.php?uri=uat.rdf (as a uri)
>>>>> That way we can index data, messages/comments about the data, and
>>>>> offer metadata back into R.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Why bring open data to R as a priority?
>>>>> Because R has a very extensive library of algorithms and behavior that
>>>>> complements any data.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Why subject.ro? What is subject.ro / what it plans to be?
>>>>> We want to make it a general ontology based on the SKOS Thesaurus
>>>>> format. For very easy human-led categorization as well as machine-readable.
>>>>> We plan it as a gateway to liked and open data / indexed by subject.
>>>>> On the web as well as in R.
>>>>> our demo is for the ontology of Astronomy on their draft thesaurus
>>>>> (not completed with all URIs) - so expect bugs from this side..
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. We would first begin with subject.ro data and behavior as a
>>>>> "portal" to linked data in R because that will bring in R qualitative
>>>>> dimensions (by controlled vocabularies). R is presently very good for
>>>>> quantitative data but lacks ability to compute semantics.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. subject.ro will keep it's data available for replication and
>>>>> synchronization (for now in mysql, but with plans for CouchDB). We will
>>>>> have mobile, desktop apps for interfacing with this data as well as in R
>>>>> and the website. CouchDB is very good for distributed db.
>>>>> We have extensive experience in programming for all platforms: web,
>>>>> mobile, desktop for all operating systems. But we will need more volunteer
>>>>> programmers for faster returns :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I would like to talk about what we have already done to see the
>>>>> link to our plans for subject.ro :
>>>>> in http://sliced.ro/docs/docs/Science.html we have demoed some things
>>>>> that we would like in R:
>>>>>
>>>>> for each thesaurus we propose:
>>>>> -have all terms at singular as number and masculine as gender (for the
>>>>> appropriate languages)
>>>>> -have the least number of words per term (prefer hyphenated and
>>>>> composed word)
>>>>> -have only the eponyms capitalized
>>>>> -prefer the same number of words per term as the English term
>>>>> -prefer to include in the term part of the inheritance (a term should
>>>>> uniquely-define the reality without the need to know it's ancestry in the
>>>>> graph) or have 2 versions of the thesauri: one with intrinsic identity and
>>>>> one with possible extrinsic identity
>>>>> -there should be just one preferred term for each language
>>>>> -we also have to know for each term if it has single or multiple
>>>>> inheritance
>>>>>
>>>>> We should talk about each rule and I will tell you why I have reached
>>>>> these conclusions. They are not the only possible solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> Each language should have a function with the ability to form term's
>>>>> plural and feminine forms.
>>>>> There should be a function that takes in a text and a language code
>>>>> and be able to compile a list of terms it contains.
>>>>> There should be a function that takes in a text, a language and a
>>>>> target language. It will return an exact translation for controlled terms
>>>>> and an approximate translation of the rest using Google Translate.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for Semantic Web processing: For any text+language:
>>>>> There should be a function that returns the greater common term: the
>>>>> term that contains all the other mentioned terms.
>>>>> There should be a function that returns the smallest distinctors (an
>>>>> invented idea): the terms that are the most detailed (the leaves in the
>>>>> thesaurus graph)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thesauri data and all these functions should be available in R (in the
>>>>> subject.ro package).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We need scientific guidance on where this technology should lead and
>>>>> what usecases can be derived. Please feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian Tzurcanu, subject.ro
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peter Murray-Rust
>>>>> Reader in Molecular Informatics
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>>>>> University of Cambridge
>>>>> CB2 1EW, UK
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>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>> Co-founder of Trudat.co <http://trudat.co/>
>>>
>>>>
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